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Skarro · 07-04-2012 01:00 AM

@CFMM (also not going to quote)

You clearly ignored everything I said. The bible says Same-Sex is not wrong, and that hating anyone is wrong and that murder is wrong. Therefore these people ARE NOT religious but anti-gay extremists wearing the mask of Christianity to be that much more accepted in society. And your falling for that illusion and blaming Christianity, as if it turned these people into the murderous haters they are. A far less extreme example is how many car thefts teens blammed it on grand theft auto and then the majority of adults truly believed GTA was responsible for kids stealing cars. Where as we here all know Kids who already steal cars use this as a method of pushing off the blame

In my church there is actually reverse prejudice (which I think is wrong) where the priest is allowed to deny a straight couple if they want to get married for any reason, but cannot deny a gay couple for ANY reason. so if a 40 year old guy is marrying a 16 year old guy, he is forced to marry them, and he most likely wouldn't marry the straight couple.

I had a similar fear when people threatened to kill me for being "emo". Maybe not as extreme but I understand.

tl;dr: CHRISTIANS CAN BE GAY AND CANNOT HATE GAYS, THESE GUYS ARE THROWING CHRISTIANS UNDER THE BUS. Christianity has no correlation with these gay haters..And you are being just as ignorant as the anti-gays are by ignoring the facts because you refuse to stop hating what you resent. Just like Anti-Gays

Religion does not make me live in fear, or anyone i know. Blind statement based of few examples again. People walk all over churches in our town asking for free money and favors, definitely don't fear us. I am from Canada, not texas. I understand extremists went as far as to make there own christian churches, so it makes sense to fear them... But go find a luthern church (subcategory of christianity) and tell them your gay. I will bet everything I have you will be treated no differently (actually that's not true, you will be treated better due to the anti-prejudice nature.. Confused

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I apologies I didn't know some deep south states had state-funded textooks sent to christian schools, I can see why that would be frustrating, and that would never fly here.

Hiderince to human kind? About a minimum of 50% of all church income (at least in my province) is donated to the weaker parts of humankind, so if your willing to let sick and the poor die over your extreme view then it's hard for me to not write off everything said so far as hate-speech.

**BumblebeeCody** · 07-04-2012 01:01 AM

(07-04-2012 12:53 AM)pianomaster42 Wrote:
(07-04-2012 12:46 AM)BumblebeeCody Wrote:
(07-03-2012 01:06 PM)CFMM Wrote: .... Not all Atheists are good people, either; Joseph Stalin was one and he wasn't a good guy......

Joesph Stalin wasn't a nice person NOT because he was an athiest, but because he was your tyrant douchebag. Him being Athiest is the same as pointing out that he was also a meat eater. It's pointless to say that because it didn't have any backing reason/motivation behind what he did.

Eeyup, Joseph Stalin was a tyrant douchebag, but he was also atheist, and that is enough for some. Because obviously two facets of a person are correlated. Obviously.
I see the same thing applied to everyone, so it's not an issue of which group is bad, it's an issue of people everywhere not being as tolerant as they should.

Well "those people" are missing the point and are most likely ignorant.
The point is, his motivation for being a douchebag wasn't because he was an athiest. He just happened to be one. If you consider his dictatorship to be the result of him being an athiest then that's just BS thinking. But reverse that and you have countless people who have killed others due to religious motivation.

pianomaster42 · 07-04-2012 01:04 AM

(07-04-2012 01:01 AM)BumblebeeCody Wrote:
(07-04-2012 12:53 AM)pianomaster42 Wrote:
(07-04-2012 12:46 AM)BumblebeeCody Wrote:
(07-03-2012 01:06 PM)CFMM Wrote: .... Not all Atheists are good people, either; Joseph Stalin was one and he wasn't a good guy......

Joesph Stalin wasn't a nice person NOT because he was an athiest, but because he was your tyrant douchebag. Him being Athiest is the same as pointing out that he was also a meat eater. It's pointless to say that because it didn't have any backing reason/motivation behind what he did.

Eeyup, Joseph Stalin was a tyrant douchebag, but he was also atheist, and that is enough for some. Because obviously two facets of a person are correlated. Obviously.
I see the same thing applied to everyone, so it's not an issue of which group is bad, it's an issue of people everywhere not being as tolerant as they should.

Well "those people" are missing the point and are most likely ignorant.
The point is, his motivation for being a douchebag wasn't because he was an athiest. He just happened to be one. If you consider his dictatorship to be the result of him being an athiest then that's just BS thinking. But reverse that and you have countless people who have killed others due to religious motivation.

Let me reverse it again. There are no doubt people who have killed in the name of a "lack of religious motivation." Hell, people will kill for any old reason. Someone somewhere said "As long as there are two people in this world, someone will want someone dead." Anything can be proper justification to the suitably-minded.

Skarro · 07-04-2012 01:32 AM

(07-04-2012 12:46 AM)BumblebeeCody Wrote: I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.

Luke 17:34-35

God kill count: 3 million (not accounting for y'know...wiping out the Earth with a flood etc

Satan: 11

Yes that quote from Luke is the old testimate, the new testimate (which defines Christianity from Jewish. Says jesus died for our sins, and long story short these old estimate sins are no longer in effect. Same-sex along with getting tatoo's and shaving your beard. Basicly if its still a sin to have same-sex then it's still a sin to shave your beard. Gay haters, seem to shave. Though christians who like to be extra careful (omish and junk) still dont shave their beards or have gay sex. Tongue

Killing someone and taking them to heaven isn't necessarily a bad thing

Edit: and an extra reply to @CFMM those /b/ memes were to lighten the mood. There's no need to attack my intelligence based off my sense of humor.

SpecialUnitt · 07-04-2012 01:58 AM

Seems to be getting into a debate here...

Me = Christian, I wasnt bought up a Christian either so I value my Lord alot! But I wont talk about it here unless someone asks because y'know its a gaming form... you know to talk about games..

Skarro · 07-04-2012 02:07 AM

Well you could talk about religious games? haha I think the only one that wasn't a total fail was The Binding of Isaac....Picked it up in a steam indie bundle, was ok.

I love games that take elements from Christianity though, like angels and demons junk. Like diablo. Or umm.. that RPG where you goto hell and the 7 levels are the 7 deadly sins? If anyone can help me out with that.

Edit: Or the spawn game for GameCube where heaven and hell are in a war and both don't care about humans, and spawn has to travel through heaven slaying angels and hell slaying demons. that was siiiick

tokki · 07-04-2012 02:15 AM

My ideology is a mix between cosmicism and apatheism. I generally dont care about others practicing or having a religion and, actually, find some religious deities beautiful like Ganesh, however the only time I start thinking less of people is when I see them start to bring in excerpts from their religious books in situations or conversations where it isnt necessary at all. Though part of that has to do with a very dark past I have with religion and it honestly never went away.

cingchris · 07-04-2012 04:27 AM

(07-04-2012 02:07 AM)Skarro Wrote: Or umm.. that RPG where you goto hell and the 7 levels are the 7 deadly sins? If anyone can help me out with that.

Dante's Inferno man. Smile

Sohakmet · 07-04-2012 04:28 AM

I prefer not to have a religion.

Not saying that I don't believe in God. Just saying that whatever is possible it is.

Skarro · 07-04-2012 05:24 AM

(07-04-2012 04:27 AM)cingchris Wrote:
(07-04-2012 02:07 AM)Skarro Wrote: Or umm.. that RPG where you goto hell and the 7 levels are the 7 deadly sins? If anyone can help me out with that.

Dante's Inferno man.

Yes that's it. Fun stuff +1 thanks

**BumblebeeCody** · 07-04-2012 12:16 PM

(07-04-2012 01:32 AM)Skarro Wrote:
(07-04-2012 12:46 AM)BumblebeeCody Wrote: I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.

Luke 17:34-35

God kill count: 3 million (not accounting for y'know...wiping out the Earth with a flood etc

Satan: 11

Yes that quote from Luke is the old testimate, the new testimate (which defines Christianity from Jewish. Says jesus died for our sins, and long story short these old estimate sins are no longer in effect. Same-sex along with getting tatoo's and shaving your beard. Basicly if its still a sin to have same-sex then it's still a sin to shave your beard. Gay haters, seem to shave. Though christians who like to be extra careful (omish and junk) still dont shave their beards or have gay sex.

Killing someone and taking them to heaven isn't necessarily a bad thing

Edit: and an extra reply to @CFMM those /b/ memes were to lighten the mood. There's no need to attack my intelligence based off my sense of humor.

@Bold Skarro
If I paste this 5 times would you be able to see the INSANE issue here:
Killing someone and taking them to heaven isn't necessarily a bad thing
Killing someone and taking them to heaven isn't necessarily a bad thing
Killing someone and taking them to heaven isn't necessarily a bad thing
Killing someone and taking them to heaven isn't necessarily a bad thing
Killing someone and taking them to heaven isn't necessarily a bad thing

The new testament was created to "sugar coat" what they really mean.

(07-04-2012 02:07 AM)Skarro Wrote: Well you could talk about religious games? haha I think the only one that wasn't a total fail was The Binding of Isaac....Picked it up in a steam indie bundle, was ok.

I love games that take elements from Christianity though, like angels and demons junk. Like diablo. Or umm.. that RPG where you goto hell and the 7 levels are the 7 deadly sins? If anyone can help me out with that.

Edit: Or the spawn game for GameCube where heaven and hell are in a war and both don't care about humans, and spawn has to travel through heaven slaying angels and hell slaying demons. that was siiiick

@Bold Skarro

Best religious game I ever played. Crap story but ....eyegasmic.

To me Binding of Issac is what you give to 5 year old on sugar high who thinks he's funny to go on stage and make an arse of him/herself. El Shaddai is...awesome.

And you also can't forget the "orgasmic"

Lets also no forget Castlevania and Dantes Inferno

pianomaster42 · 07-04-2012 12:29 PM

(07-04-2012 12:16 PM)BumblebeeCody Wrote:
(07-04-2012 01:32 AM)Skarro Wrote:
(07-04-2012 12:46 AM)BumblebeeCody Wrote: I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.

Luke 17:34-35

God kill count: 3 million (not accounting for y'know...wiping out the Earth with a flood etc

Satan: 11

Yes that quote from Luke is the old testimate, the new testimate (which defines Christianity from Jewish. Says jesus died for our sins, and long story short these old estimate sins are no longer in effect. Same-sex along with getting tatoo's and shaving your beard. Basicly if its still a sin to have same-sex then it's still a sin to shave your beard. Gay haters, seem to shave. Though christians who like to be extra careful (omish and junk) still dont shave their beards or have gay sex.

Killing someone and taking them to heaven isn't necessarily a bad thing

Edit: and an extra reply to @CFMM those /b/ memes were to lighten the mood. There's no need to attack my intelligence based off my sense of humor.

@Bold Skarro
If I paste this 5 times would you be able to see the INSANE issue here:
Killing someone and taking them to heaven isn't necessarily a bad thing
Killing someone and taking them to heaven isn't necessarily a bad thing
Killing someone and taking them to heaven isn't necessarily a bad thing
Killing someone and taking them to heaven isn't necessarily a bad thing
Killing someone and taking them to heaven isn't necessarily a bad thing

The new testament was created to "sugar coat" what they really mean.

Whoa now, let's not group all of us together. Killing is pretty unequivocally a bad thing, though in the world we live in it is necessary in certain circumstances, self defence, etc. Also, I think the new testament was not intended to sugarcoat anything, but it was intended to completely overwrite the old testament.

(07-04-2012 12:16 PM)BumblebeeCody Wrote: To me Binding of Issac is what you give to 5 year old on sugar high who thinks he's funny to go on stage and make an arse of him/herself. El Shaddai is...awesome.

I dunno, I like Binding of Isaac. But to me it's more about the gameplay, the story is rather lackluster.

**BumblebeeCody** · 07-04-2012 12:43 PM

(07-04-2012 12:29 PM)pianomaster42 Wrote: Whoa now, let's not group all of us together.
(I try not to but God sure is...smitey. That death toll figure of God is surely an Xbox achievement)
Killing is pretty unequivocally a bad thing, though in the world we live in it is necessary in certain circumstances, self defence, etc. 1) Also, I think the new testament was not intended to sugarcoat anything, but it was intended to completely overwrite the old testament.

(07-04-2012 12:16 PM)BumblebeeCody Wrote: To me Binding of Issac is what you give to 5 year old on sugar high who thinks he's funny to go on stage and make an arse of him/herself. El Shaddai is...awesome.

@2)I dunno, I like Binding of Isaac. But to me it's more about the gameplay, the story is rather lackluster.

@1) Exactly it intended to overwrite the Old Testament but by sugar coating what they really preach. It's like people who say dumb idiotic stuff on twitter, everyone gets annoyed so they delete it. It doesn't matter because everyone heard it. It's like the New Testament is the apology but everyone knows they really don't like gays and it's an abomination and, as I've quoted before, certain verses. It's why so many American religious politicians have an issue against gays because it's against their religion. It's not like Islam even tries to hide that.

@2) I guess that could also be applied to El Shaddai too really.

Skarro · 07-04-2012 02:04 PM

(07-04-2012 12:43 PM)BumblebeeCody Wrote:
(07-04-2012 12:29 PM)pianomaster42 Wrote: Whoa now, let's not group all of us together.
(I try not to but God sure is...smitey. That death toll figure of God is surely an Xbox achievement)
Killing is pretty unequivocally a bad thing, though in the world we live in it is necessary in certain circumstances, self defence, etc. 1) Also, I think the new testament was not intended to sugarcoat anything, but it was intended to completely overwrite the old testament.

(07-04-2012 12:16 PM)BumblebeeCody Wrote: To me Binding of Issac is what you give to 5 year old on sugar high who thinks he's funny to go on stage and make an arse of him/herself. El Shaddai is...awesome.

@2)I dunno, I like Binding of Isaac. But to me it's more about the gameplay, the story is rather lackluster.

@1) Exactly it intended to overwrite the Old Testament but by sugar coating what they really preach. It's like people who say dumb idiotic stuff on twitter, everyone gets annoyed so they delete it. It doesn't matter because everyone heard it. It's like the New Testament is the apology but everyone knows they really don't like gays and it's an abomination and, as I've quoted before, certain verses. It's why so many American religious politicians have an issue against gays because it's against their religion. It's not like Islam even tries to hide that.

@2) I guess that could also be applied to El Shaddai too really.

Your argument would only make sense if christians believed the bible was written by christians, they believe it's written by god, so it's god saying you can now be gay or shave your beard... also the old testimate itself still does not say anything about condeming or hating someone for there sins and that all sins are equal and that we all sin...., if they are doing something wrong you don't write them off as a person. You are still supposed to love everyone in the old testimate as well.

tl;dr: your argument is invalid

Nyu · 07-04-2012 02:14 PM

Religion is an extremely touchy subject. I am posting this for "The Lulz," as you mortals would call it. Just remember this. Christianity, I believe, was created from a book. We don't want 300 religions about "The Joy of Cooking," do we?

Fun fact: Pope Innocent III said that it was okay to murder someone after a game of chess.

But seriously you guys. Keep on discussing your religions. It's not like it's feeding my eventual rise to full power, to create myself into a demon-like being causing worldwide chaos.

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