(09-05-2012 09:50 PM)Arjahn Wrote:  

(09-05-2012 01:26 PM)Gardocki Wrote:  If they don't have full voice acting in the game, Nintendo can go F themselves with this. I don't care how massive or groundbreaking the game is promising to be (and that article to me sounds very fanboyish by the way), if they don't have voice acting for a game that is looking to appear on the same level as Skyrim, it'll be a big fucking fail. There's absolutely no reason why the last Zelda game didn't have voice acting (and don't give me that "it's the charm of the game" bullshit either), making another game without voice acting is a huge mistake.

It is. There's no reason, not one single god damn reason that there's no voice acting in the newer Zelda titles. Even fucking Mario evolved, why can't Zelda?

I can accept that anything before the Gamecube couldn't handle it, that's fine. These days, there's no excuse for not having voice acting. Instead we're tasked with reading three sentences packed into a small box. I didn't buy a game to read a fucking novel, I bought a game to be engrossed in the story through the characters expression of emotions and dialogue. With Zelda games, there's little expression, and no dialogue to help. Instead I'm reading everything in my voice, and that doesn't help anything.

If other adventure games can have full voice acting, and still have a great story, then Zelda can too.

(09-06-2012 03:41 AM)Stan Wrote:  

(09-05-2012 01:26 PM)Gardocki Wrote:  If they don't have full voice acting in the game, Nintendo can go F themselves with this. I don't care how massive or groundbreaking the game is promising to be (and that article to me sounds very fanboyish by the way), if they don't have voice acting for a game that is looking to appear on the same level as Skyrim, it'll be a big fucking fail. There's absolutely no reason why the last Zelda game didn't have voice acting (and don't give me that "it's the charm of the game" bullshit either), making another game without voice acting is a huge mistake.

Maybe. But one does not SIMPLY make Link talk.
He speaks the same language as Gordon Freeman.

But everyone else in Half-Life talks, making the narrative move along much better.

(09-06-2012 04:21 AM)retrolinkx Wrote:  

(09-05-2012 01:26 PM)Gardocki Wrote:  If they don't have voice acting for a game that is looking to appear on the same level as Skyrim, it'll be a big fucking fail.

Hold on, let me get this straight, you think that this Zelda game is on the same level of Skyrim in terms of what? I know it's not the map size and the amount of stuff you can do, but I don't really get what this part means.

I never once said that Zelda was on the same level as Skyrim. This is you barely reading my post and having a knee jerk reaction. I said, if they don't have voice acting for a game that is looking to appear on the same level as Skyrim, meaning the next game, not the current game. The article talks about the next game being huge, taking hours and hours to explore. With everything they want to put into the game, that would put it on the same level as Skyrim, if not above it. What is it with people not reading posts around here?

Gordan Freeman doesn't shout or yell when swinging his crowbar...
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I don't see why it's necessary to put voice acting in simply because they can. That's a horrible reason to do anything.

(09-06-2012 04:39 AM)Stan Wrote:  

(09-06-2012 04:25 AM)Xannidel Wrote:  

(09-06-2012 03:41 AM)Stan Wrote:  

(09-05-2012 01:26 PM)Gardocki Wrote:  If they don't have full voice acting in the game, Nintendo can go F themselves with this. I don't care how massive or groundbreaking the game is promising to be (and that article to me sounds very fanboyish by the way), if they don't have voice acting for a game that is looking to appear on the same level as Skyrim, it'll be a big fucking fail. There's absolutely no reason why the last Zelda game didn't have voice acting (and don't give me that "it's the charm of the game" bullshit either), making another game without voice acting is a huge mistake.

Maybe. But one does not SIMPLY make Link talk.
He speaks the same language as Gordon Freeman.

Gordan Freeman doesn't shout or yell when swinging his crowbar...

Maybe, but yells and shouts can't be considered a dialect.

But Guys Gordon Speaks all the time, it a sort of robotic voice.

You know he reads out what the readings from his suit to remind himself, he says "Vital signs critical
Seek medical attention" so he can remind himself that he is going to die, and has to find some medicine.

It's in the manual.

I am sure plenty of games would have been better without the voice acting. Look at Resident Evil 1 on the PS1 for example. Yes I know that in those genres speaking is a MUST but what if they were mutes with captions underneath, I think that might have worked a little.

That's always the argument I hear when it comes to voice acting and the Legend of Zelda games.

"Oh, every other game has them, why can't this?" or "This game desperately needs voice acting to stay relevant."

It doesn't. And I don't play the games and think "Man, this game would be so much better with voice acting." Because I know it's not true. And in some aspects, it can actually ruin the game more.

(09-06-2012 05:17 AM)Xannidel Wrote:  I am sure plenty of games would have been better without the voice acting. Look at Resident Evil 1 on the PS1 for example. Yes I know that in those genres speaking is a MUST but what if they were mutes with captions underneath, I think that might have worked a little.

Nah du-du-du-du-dude. RE1 NEEDED The voice acting. Oh gosh I love the voices for that game. So bloody funny now.
"Wow, what a mansion"

I'm slightly with Gardocki on this. This "lip fumbling" that the Zelda games have are extremely awkward. They need to get rid of it and go back to no mouth movements or put voice acting in.

Thanks for the article though.

(09-06-2012 05:14 AM)Beware of Cuccos Wrote:  I don't see why it's necessary to put voice acting in simply because they can. That's a horrible reason to do anything.

I never said "they need to because they can". Why aren't people reading the whole post?

You didn't say it directly, but that was essentially what you were saying.

(09-06-2012 05:46 AM)A Zombie Riot Wrote:  You didn't say it directly, but that was essentially what you were saying.

Wrong, again, you didn't read either. Here's what I said:

(09-06-2012 05:03 AM)Gardocki Wrote:  I didn't buy a game to read a fucking novel, I bought a game to be engrossed in the story through the characters expression of emotions and dialogue. With Zelda games, there's little expression, and no dialogue to help.

This means that voice acting will help people be engrossed in the story. Now that's not to say the written text didn't get people involve, but personally, it did shit for me. A lot of people I've spoken to about the game expressed the same issue, being bored reading text boxes instead of having characters express themselves and sell the story.

Not once, NOT FUCKING ONCE, did I say the franchise needs voice acting because other games have it.

I did read what you wrote.

(09-05-2012 01:26 PM)Gardocki Wrote:  If they don't have full voice acting in the game, Nintendo can go F themselves with this. I don't care how massive or groundbreaking the game is promising to be (and that article to me sounds very fanboyish by the way), if they don't have voice acting for a game that is looking to appear on the same level as Skyrim, it'll be a big fucking fail. There's absolutely no reason why the last Zelda game didn't have voice acting (and don't give me that "it's the charm of the game" bullshit either), making another game without voice acting is a huge mistake.

Here is your whole post. Your whole, angry, post. You never actually say WHY you feel it needs to be included, only stating that there's "no reason why" the last game didn't have it. Leading me to believe that the only reason you think it should be included is because it can be done now.

(09-06-2012 05:03 AM)Gardocki Wrote:  

(09-05-2012 09:50 PM)Arjahn Wrote:  

(09-05-2012 01:26 PM)Gardocki Wrote:  If they don't have full voice acting in the game, Nintendo can go F themselves with this. I don't care how massive or groundbreaking the game is promising to be (and that article to me sounds very fanboyish by the way), if they don't have voice acting for a game that is looking to appear on the same level as Skyrim, it'll be a big fucking fail. There's absolutely no reason why the last Zelda game didn't have voice acting (and don't give me that "it's the charm of the game" bullshit either), making another game without voice acting is a huge mistake.

It is. There's no reason, not one single god damn reason that there's no voice acting in the newer Zelda titles. Even fucking Mario evolved, why can't Zelda?

I can accept that anything before the Gamecube couldn't handle it, that's fine. These days, there's no excuse for not having voice acting. Instead we're tasked with reading three sentences packed into a small box. I didn't buy a game to read a fucking novel, I bought a game to be engrossed in the story through the characters expression of emotions and dialogue. With Zelda games, there's little expression, and no dialogue to help. Instead I'm reading everything in my voice, and that doesn't help anything.

If other adventure games can have full voice acting, and still have a great story, then Zelda can too.

In response to the parts I have underlined here: Once again, you're not actually giving an actual reason as to why you believe voice acting should be included. It seems as though, the way it is written, that you want it because 1- it can be done, and 2- everyone else is doing it. Which are both horrible reasons to do anything.

In response to the parts I did not underline: Part of the whole Zelda dynamic (and why the game is so wonderful) is because we, as fans, can make up whatever voice/language we want for our characters. You saying "I didn't buy a game to read a fucking novel" just sounds like laziness to me.

I do not think voice acting should be included. I think it wold ruin the game. Although, I do partially agree with BumbleebeeCody in that I think they should stop with the weird mouth movements.

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(09-06-2012 05:54 AM)Gardocki Wrote:  Not once, NOT FUCKING ONCE, did I say the franchise needs voice acting because other games have it.

(09-05-2012 01:26 PM)Gardocki Wrote:  It is. There's no reason, not one single god damn reason that there's no voice acting in the newer Zelda titles. Even fucking Mario evolved, why can't Zelda?

(09-05-2012 01:26 PM)Gardocki Wrote:  If other adventure games can have full voice acting, and still have a great story, then Zelda can too.

I feel like this has turned from "Let's talk about The Legend of Zelda" to "Is voice acting necessary in a video game that relies on story".




But to answer, no. It's not. If it has happened before, it can happen now. My two cents.

I'm joining the "annoyed this is coming out in 2014" club.

*rages in corner*

(09-06-2012 07:39 AM)SERIOUSLY THOUGH Wrote:  I'm joining the "annoyed this is coming out in 2014" club.

*rages in corner*

Agreed. Hopefully I can hold back on spoiling the game for myself too much.

Also screw Link and this whole voice acting thing. When I play Zelda I'M the hero of time, godammit. @_@

I loved skyward sword this will be good or I'll personally slap Miyamoto.