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[A Zombie Riot]

That was just too freaking cute.

[Zaliphone]

(11-09-2012 08:51 AM)retrolinkx Wrote:  Halo 4 is terrible, the multiplayer is broken, it has kill cams which is just a huge why and doesn't play like Halo.

343 ruined it, and they don't even know it, Halo 5 and 6 are going to be bad as well.

In my opinion if Halo's were a 10, this Halo is an 8, sure it's Halo, but it's terrible.

Also the mantis is to fucking overpowered, and there are no more weapon spawns which now just killed the arena aspect of it.

I seriously hope that 343 get a terrible fan reaction to it, and they change Halo 5 to be like 2.

Why exactly are kill cams a bad thing?

[Gardocki]

(11-10-2012 01:23 AM)Zaliphone Wrote:  Why exactly are kill cams a bad thing?

They stop camping and bottlenecks.....not that I'm complaining, I love kill cams.

[Zaliphone]

I also love kill cams, that's why I was questioning the hate retrolink was giving.

[retrolinkx]

It's not Halo, Halo never had Kill Cams, and they don't need them, they only added them so they could get the cawwa dooty audience.

Halo 4 isn't god fucking awfuterribad, it's just terribad, I was just angry yesterday, but it's not as good as the other Halo's.

[Gardocki]

(11-10-2012 07:14 AM)retrolinkx Wrote:  It's not Halo, Halo never had Kill Cams, and they don't need them, they only added them so they could get the cawwa dooty audience.

I'm still waiting to hear how it's bad. The KC in Call of Duty serves a great purpose, it makes sense that a series like Halo, which has seen little innovation in it's online gameplay, would want to introduce it. Sure, one could make the argument that Halo's multiplayer doesn't need anything added to it (if it's not broke, don't fix it), but really, you can only play in 2004 for so long. At some point, you gotta evolve and offer what the most basic of shooters gives it's players.

[A Zombie Riot]

I'm all for games bringing in kill cams. It stops the campers from camping.

[retrolinkx]

(11-10-2012 08:33 AM)Gardocki Wrote:  

(11-10-2012 07:14 AM)retrolinkx Wrote:  It's not Halo, Halo never had Kill Cams, and they don't need them, they only added them so they could get the cawwa dooty audience.

I'm still waiting to hear how it's bad. The KC in Call of Duty serves a great purpose, it makes sense that a series like Halo, which has seen little innovation in it's online gameplay, would want to introduce it. Sure, one could make the argument that Halo's multiplayer doesn't need anything added to it (if it's not broke, don't fix it), but really, you can only play in 2004 for so long. At some point, you gotta evolve and offer what the most basic of shooters gives it's players.

Nah, it was just introduced for the cod players, literally, they even put a "special" button layout where "b" is crouch, and the analogue stick is sprint, it's odd how they change the controller layout after about 5 games.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing, I just think it isn't Halo if it has Kill Cams.

Also, Halo did have a lot of innovation in terms of guns, gameplay elements, speed, armour abilities and quite a lot more, a kill cam isn't really an innovation, more of a copy.

Also, I love Dominion.

[Gardocki]

(11-10-2012 09:05 AM)A Zombie Riot Wrote:  I'm all for games bringing in kill cams. It stops the campers from camping.

This exactly.

(11-10-2012 10:10 AM)retrolinkx Wrote:  Nah, [undefined=undefined]it was just introduced for the cod players, literally,[/undefined] they even put a "special" button layout where "b" is crouch, and the analogue stick is sprint, it's odd how they change the controller layout after about 5 games.

Proof?

(11-10-2012 10:10 AM)retrolinkx Wrote:  Also, Halo did have a lot of innovation in terms of guns, gameplay elements, speed, armour abilities and quite a lot more, a kill cam isn't really an innovation, more of a copy.

I'm sure they have some, but generally as games like COD and Battlefield come out and introduce new features, I've seen Halo be super slow to adapt to modern FPS games. Now they have loadouts you can customize, that's awesome, but other games were doing that five years ago. Now they have killcams...again five or more years ago other games had them. For as much as Halo's done for FPS console gaming, it's been pretty slow to evolve with the other games. Again I know, not broken, don't fix it, but it'd be nice if Halo would catch up to the rest of the games out there in certain areas.

[retrolinkx]

Halo invented FPS.

Also, it's more of an opinion that they codified it, I've already said that they changed the control layout in this game just to attract the cod crowd, it's something Microsoft would do.

Halo didn't really need to adapt, because bungie didn't really see a need of adding anything like kill cams or load outs, as they didn't want to make Halo "Cod in Space".

However, I like the load outs, but I still think that they should've kept the weapons on the map, I've been pinned down about 3 times by mantis, because I couldn't get close to them due to having no weapons in the base to use apart from my BR, and that's it.

Also, Kill Cams aren't really a thing needed for Halo when you think about it, since a Kill Cam gives the person who has played a way of seeing how they were killed, but in Halo, you already know how you were killed, if it was by a headshot 500m away, a sniper. A head on BR fight, a BR. Even if you didn't know, theatre mode is always there if you're curious.

[A Zombie Riot]

(11-10-2012 10:40 AM)retrolinkx Wrote:  Halo invented FPS.

lolno.

The only thing Halo did was make online gaming on the console possible, and very VERY popular.


Goldeneye basically invented the console FPS.
Halo perfected it.

Call of Duty is just a plague. Sure, it's fun to play in little bursts and with friends. But the only good thing about that series is the online. And since its so freaking popular, everyone tries to be exactly like it (and those games usually fail). Call of Duty didn't invent load outs, kill cams or even unlocking stuff as you rank up. People put the blame on them because it's the easiest thing to do. Because that franchise is so freaking popular.

[retrolinkx]

I hope you guys know I was joking about the Halo thing, I'm not that stupid.

Also, I see where you're coming from with that, CoD is taking all the blame, and it is ruining modern FPS, because it takes about 70% of the market, and every other company wants to take that 70%, so they try to be like Cod, and ruin their games.

(11-10-2012 10:44 AM)A Zombie Riot Wrote:  The only thing Halo did was make online gaming on the console possible, and very VERY popular.

The Dreamcast technically made it possible, since Quake 3 could go online, but if you're talking about popularising, it then yes, it did.

[Gardocki]

(11-10-2012 10:40 AM)retrolinkx Wrote:  Halo invented FPS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OstRBLG5n3c

(11-10-2012 10:40 AM)retrolinkx Wrote:  Also, it's more of an opinion that they codified it, I've already said that they changed the control layout in this game just to attract the cod crowd, it's something Microsoft would do.

Ah, so it's your opinion. I was wondering if 343 Industries had said somewhere they introduced kill cams for the COD crowd.

(11-10-2012 10:40 AM)retrolinkx Wrote:  Halo didn't really need to adapt, because bungie didn't really see a need of adding anything like kill cams or load outs, as they didn't want to make Halo "Cod in Space".

Like I said, it's not broke don't fix it, but it's nice to see them evolving the games. Without evolution, there's no reason to play the newer games.

(11-10-2012 10:40 AM)retrolinkx Wrote:  Also, Kill Cams aren't really a thing needed for Halo when you think about it, since a Kill Cam gives the person who has played a way of seeing how they were killed, but in Halo, you already know how you were killed, if it was by a headshot 500m away, a sniper. A head on BR fight, a BR. Even if you didn't know, theatre mode is always there if you're curious.

Well if they're needed is subjectional. I think it'll only help the game, I can't see how they would hurt it.

(11-10-2012 10:44 AM)A Zombie Riot Wrote:  The only thing Halo did was make online gaming on the console possible, and very VERY popular. Goldeneye basically invented the console FPS. Halo perfected it.

100% agreed.

[retrolinkx]

Still, I think the arguing has gone on long enough, and will probably devolve into something worse than a locked thread.

Anybody going to get Black Ops 2? I think that it's much different to the other games, and is actually worth playing for once, instead of a let down MW3, was.