Mario and Nintendo

[Xannidel]

So I posted something that I thought made sense and here it is word for word: "Okay so I was watching a review for the New Super Mario Bros 2 and I am starting to grow tired of Nintendo milking a franchise and even worse, making the game too easy to play. Nintendo seems to be a combination of EA and Blizzard in the sense that Nintendo milks franchises just like EA and they are making their games too easy like Blizzard. What do you guys think?"

I also want to link a video that got me thinking on this:



Now I want to ask you guys, am I wrong on this? Am I just being overly critical on a franchise that I just probably out grew? Because NO ONE who replied agreed with me so I am curious if I said something wrong or are they just Nintendo/Mario fanboys? (not trying to sound immature by trying to find someone who agrees with me)

[Ouberry_13]

You're both right and wrong. Nintendo is milking their franchises, but only because they've been in the game for over 20 years. They've found what characters they have that people love, so stick with those characters. And they toned down the difficulty of their games since the 80s due to the fact that now they can put more time into the longevity of a game, instead of needing to make it hard to pad out the game's runtime. And since the late 90s, they have started to make their games able for anyone to play and understand easily, not just kids. Because of this, Nintendo's sorta like the Dsiney of video games. They spend most of their time and effort dedicated to providing something everyone, young and old, will be able to do. They don't need HD graphics, or the most innovative and new gameplay mechanics. They simply want to make enjoyable games.

[Nostalgic_Machine]

(10-19-2012 03:04 AM)Ouberry_13 Wrote:  You're both right and wrong. Nintendo is milking their franchises, but only because they've been in the game for over 20 years. They've found what characters they have that people love, so stick with those characters. And they toned down the difficulty of their games since the 80s due to the fact that now they can put more time into the longevity of a game, instead of needing to make it hard to pad out the game's runtime. And since the late 90s, they have started to make their games able for anyone to play and understand easily, not just kids. Because of this, Nintendo's sorta like the Dsiney of video games. They spend most of their time and effort dedicated to providing something everyone, young and old, will be able to do. They don't need HD graphics, or the most innovative and new gameplay mechanics. They simply want to make enjoyable games.

Hit the nail on the head.

[Zaliphone]

Ouberry put it in the best way possible. I do wish Nintendo would do some more with their IPs, but they're just doing the safe thing.
You also have to remember that these are meant for kids. Although one of the DLC being released for NSMB2 looks super difficult and that it would actually take skill. Shame it's only going to be 3 levels, though. I'd love a super difficult Mario game.

[Xannidel]

But compare New Super Mario Bros 2 to a game like Super Mario Bros 3. That's all I am saying.

[Ouberry_13]

(10-19-2012 09:14 AM)Xannidel Wrote:  But compare New Super Mario Bros 2 to a game like Super Mario Bros 3. That's all I am saying.

I believe you have missed the point.

[Nostalgic_Machine]

I love all the modern Nintendo stuff, but the classics are still by far my favorites.

Nintendo is legendary, and we all owe massive gaming gratitude, if not simply because they revived modern home gaming as we know it today. They are one of the few companies who still make an effort to be unique with their consoles and their interaction, so they are still technically still fairly visionary.

However, I'll take Super Mario Bros. 3 and Super Mario World over anything they've done with the series since.

[retrolinkx]

To be honest, I think Nintendo don't want to risk something new in case it fails, so they have to do soemthing that will get money they need, won't cost much, and will be another game for the fans, Mario fits in fine, since it's a tried and true formula, so people will play it, it doesn't cost much the make since they've used the engine before and know how it works, and since the fans love it and it's a fun game it works on all ends.

I think when this recession goes, they might start taking some risks.

[Nicknclank]

Also, if you look at the new Mario games, you can see that, apart from the "sports" games, each of them follows the story tradition.

What I mean by that is the fact that even though Nintendo makes a lot of Mario games... they STILL look "fresh". I won't say new, because "New Super Mario Bros. 2" is very similar to the one before, but it still feels new in some way. You get a new challenge that makes the game more difficult, etc.

It's like "Super Mario Galaxy 2", it follows the same pattern as the first one, but it looks fresh, some cool add-on features (If you can't love Mario riding Yoshi over a black hole, then b**ch, you just can't have fun).

So basically, I think that even though they're using Mario for a LOT of their new games... who the frek' cares. People love them anyway, and I do too. If you don't play them because you think Mario is overrated, your lost bro.

[Skarro]

Blizzard hardly milks their games there is a decade gap between most of there squeals...

[BumblebeeCody]

Xannidel this where you realise how to critque something fairly but get surrounded by 'tard. (Not this forum). You're not wrong though.
Think of it like this
"How dare you critique Mario, go back to CoD".

I wouldn't say Nintendo milked the franchise because, WE NEED THESE GAMES. The Mario games are there to remind us that games are fun! And not about spending two years on a game to show different shades of grey splattered with blood. Mario and CoD are both guilty of adding NOTHING new to the series apart from little bits each game.

The difference is it's cool to bash CoD but not Mario because it's sacred. I wouldn't say Blizzard milk their series though. They just seem to keep supporting WoW with content we don't really need. Also, remember who owns Blizzard. Activision....explains a lot.

[Feeny]

Nintendo is playing Mario too safe. They aren't changing anything up, they reuse sprite, reuse music, etc.

The pretty much nailed the formula, they just aren't doing anything with it.

New art style, new antagonist, new gameplay elements, don't revolve the game around certain powerups (NSMB Wii Ice Power & Propeller, SM3D Land Tanooki Suit, NSMB U Flying Squirrel, so it seems), stop handing out powerups like gifts on Christmas, etc. etc. etc. This is a good place to begin.

I want a new 2D Mario game, not another New Super Mario Bros. rehash.
I also want Shy Guy as a common enemy, I just really like him for some reason; maybe they can replace the Goombas for a game.

This is a very vague way to put it, but the current 2D Mario games are soul-less (Yes, I watch Game Grumps, but it's true.)

[Artwark]

(10-23-2012 02:09 PM)Feeny Wrote:  Nintendo is playing Mario too safe. They aren't changing anything up, they reuse sprite, reuse music, etc.

The pretty much nailed the formula, they just aren't doing anything with it.

New art style, new antagonist, new gameplay elements, don't revolve the game around certain powerups (NSMB Wii Ice Power & Propeller, SM3D Land Tanooki Suit, NSMB U Flying Squirrel, so it seems), stop handing out powerups like gifts on Christmas, etc. etc. etc. This is a good place to begin.

I want a new 2D Mario game, not another New Super Mario Bros. rehash.
I also want Shy Guy as a common enemy, I just really like him for some reason; maybe they can replace the Goombas for a game.

This is a very vague way to put it, but the current 2D Mario games are soul-less (Yes, I watch Game Grumps, but it's true.)

I dissagree with you here. Many mario games have a different graphic style and he mostly appears differently at times. Sure the voice may be
the same clips but which ever way he's quite different. Paper mario completely uses the paper visuals, mario and luigi series are more comical than the real ones.

I don't think Nintendo needs to change mario's appearence because it'll probably end up like how Sonic suffered.

[BumblebeeCody]

(10-24-2012 07:16 PM)Artwark Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 02:09 PM)Feeny Wrote:  Nintendo is playing Mario too safe. They aren't changing anything up, they reuse sprite, reuse music, etc.

The pretty much nailed the formula, they just aren't doing anything with it.

New art style, new antagonist, new gameplay elements, don't revolve the game around certain powerups (NSMB Wii Ice Power & Propeller, SM3D Land Tanooki Suit, NSMB U Flying Squirrel, so it seems), stop handing out powerups like gifts on Christmas, etc. etc. etc. This is a good place to begin.

I want a new 2D Mario game, not another New Super Mario Bros. rehash.
I also want Shy Guy as a common enemy, I just really like him for some reason; maybe they can replace the Goombas for a game.

This is a very vague way to put it, but the current 2D Mario games are soul-less (Yes, I watch Game Grumps, but it's true.)

I dissagree with you here. Many mario games have a different graphic style and he mostly appears differently at times. Sure the voice may be
the same clips but which ever way he's quite different. Paper mario completely uses the paper visuals, mario and luigi series are more comical than the real ones.

I don't think Nintendo needs to change mario's appearence because it'll probably end up like how Sonic suffered.

I think it depends on how much they do with the same formula.
Paper Mario was just a graphic style on a sidercrolling RPG. Then they added the awesome paper transformations and 3D view to play from a different perspective and add a level of depth to the gameplay. Same with Super Mario galaxy which is a progression of the 3D platforming games.
But the simple side scrollers are old. NSMB fine, but how many times can you use the word New and retain the meaning after 4 NSMBs games?

The Nintendo series are too sacred to be critised. Skyward Sword being one of the most lacking titles recently.

Also, remember did give Tingle his own game...

[Xannidel]

I just feel that Nintendo, with all their creativity, can produce a new IP that would be awesome.