You know like the one in 1983?

I believe that gaming is dying a slow and painful death, companies are milking gamers for everything they have with DLC, Premium members, terrible ports of game, overpriced games, rehashing game again and again and much much more.

Developers only want to please the Casuals so they get the money from them, but even now Casuals must feel the burn, Call of Duty has had pretty much the same game, except with different guns and maps for the past 5 years, and people are still buying all this. I mean MW3's sales didn't even surpass Black Ops, this must mean that a lot of people are noticing they're buying the same game over and over.

After a while, a lot of gamers will start to complain with the next gen, and everything that comes with it. Microsoft's Kinectbox, Sony's Move console, the WiiU, and the fact PC gaming isn't getting anything soon, apart from terrible ports. I don't seen gaming lasting a long time unless all this shit is either put to a stop, or just brought down a little.

Game developers must understand how their fans feel, I mean companies like EA and Activision are forcing them to make games constantly for the money, and they may want to change how the game is played, but in the end can't because of the company they are under.

This is a sort of badly made and poorly argued argument, but I'd like to know your opinion of this, do you believe there will be a crash, or will gaming just die, and still be milked during death?

Nope. Nope and nope. Gaming is VERY unlikely to die any time soon. If anything it is becoming a decently respected medium. For example, the NES used to be considered as a 'kid's toy' as a posed to a gaming system... We have came a long way.

The game industry crashed in it's years of infancy as it was pretty poor - consoles like Atari 2600 required a lot of imagination and a decent amount of fiddling about in order for some games to be playable. Nowadays games are so easy and accesible nearly everyone I've ever met has played one in some form. And despite the fact that most actual gamers hate a lot of industry based changes such as DLC the audience for gaming is becoming larger by the day.

I mean honestly it seems like gaming will have several decades before it either fizzles out or some other form of media replaces it.

I would not say it is going to crash but I do admit that companies that just make the same game over and over again will start to lose people. But do not forget that other companies are trying new IPs and branching out from what they normally do. As DHXIII said before, the game crash back then was due to games being really early in its life and some consoles were not selling as high as companies were hoping which caused some complications.

I don't think we're going to get a video game crash. What I think is happening is huuuuuge change to what video game is and how it works.

It's late, so I won't write a huge post about this now. I need to give it more thought.

I doubt it'll be soon. There are some slivers of hope at the moment, like Borderlands 2, and the new Pokemon Sequel (The first definitive jump in time since Gold and Silver). I'd give it a couple of years before it all goes to shit.

I do feel a CONSOLE crash coming up.

I don't think they'll be another crash, as such. Gaming is as mainstream as it gets now. I guess it's fair to state: It's part of our culture. Leading up to the the initial crash, it had more companies competing with each other. Compare it with today's market, you've only got three.

However, I believe - and many will likely disagree - that Nintendo is going the same direction Sega went. As much as I love Nintendo, in 10 years time they'll be solely a games developer, if that.

I certainly don't understand the reasoning in releasing a 3DS XL so close to the original's release date. It is not going to save the failing console. I know it's still the most dominant handheld, I'm just comparing it with previous DS sales. I like the 3DS, I own one. I do feel though they should focus on releasing quality and original games for it, instead of ports, expected continuations and revised consoles.

I don't exactly feel a complete crash but definitely a crash of the developer giants because they are becoming more about the money than satisfying the gamer community and if this keeps up people will just stop buying their games altogether and they will go down allowing for more people to get their start, everything that goes up must come down.

(07-01-2012 09:54 AM)Jayboeman Wrote:  However, I believe - and many will likely disagree - that Nintendo is going the same direction Sega went. As much as I love Nintendo, in 10 years time they'll be solely a games developer, if that.

I certainly don't understand the reasoning in releasing a 3DS XL. It is not going to save the failing console. I know it's still the most dominant handheld, I'm just comparing it with previous DS sales. I like the 3DS, I own one. I do feel though they should focus on releasing quality and original games for it, instead of ports, expected continuations and revised consoles.

Well, this year was the first year Nintendo made a loss, they are worth quite a lot of money, and I heard from a lot of sources, that if they never made any money for 5 years, they still wouldn't go bankrupt, which is pretty damn good, I doubt they'd turn out like Sega.

The 3DS is doing much better than the Vita to call it "failing", and comparing it to the original DS is also something stupid, since the DS has been out for 8 years, compared to the 3DS's one half. (Unless you're comparing the DS first year sales)

But I do agree with the 3DSXL, I understand they wanted a bigger screen and all, but it's a bit stupid to do it, make it cost more than a regular 3DS, and not add a second stick, even though they're making a 3DSXL circle pad pro.

Also, the 3DS is getting a lot of ports, and such, but you can never guess with Nintendo, they brought out Kid Icarus on it as a surprise, you never know if an F-Zero might pop up on the system.

Fire Emblem is also a nice touch.

(07-01-2012 09:11 AM)Fearless Wrote:  I do feel a CONSOLE crash coming up.

Well, if a console crash occurs, that would affect a lot of PC games too, since most are made for console and ported from a console to a PC, and since many devs don't like to make games for PC because of all the pirating, they might not make it when they would need to money. A console crash can make a PC crash occur to. (Although unlikely, it might just mean the PC has less games, so people play games made prior)

(07-01-2012 10:14 AM)retrolinkx Wrote:  Well, this year was the first year Nintendo made a loss, they are worth quite a lot of money, and I heard from a lot of sources, that if they never made any money for 5 years, they still wouldn't go bankrupt, which is pretty damn good, I doubt they'd turn out like Sega.

The 3DS is doing much better than the Vita to call it "failing", and comparing it to the original DS is also something stupid, since the DS has been out for 8 years, compared to the 3DS's one half. (Unless you're comparing the DS first year sales)

But I do agree with the 3DSXL, I understand they wanted a bigger screen and all, but it's a bit stupid to do it, make it cost more than a regular 3DS, and not add a second stick, even though they're making a 3DSXL circle pad pro.

Also, the 3DS is getting a lot of ports, and such, but you can never guess with Nintendo, they brought out Kid Icarus on it as a surprise, you never know if an F-Zero might pop up on the system.

Fire Emblem is also a nice touch.

I suppose only time will tell if my Nintendo/Sega theory will pan out. :P

Yes, I should of been more specific - I was talking about comparing the first year DS sales. My apologies.

No doubt the 3DS will have its gems, but sorry, it is incredibly predictable what Nintendo will release for their consoles. You can always guess. After they've exhausted their main franchises, they are the only games that really stand out. All that being said, I understand why Nintendo play it safe; their games have a fan base and are darn good. I also admit, Kid Icarus was a breath of fresh air. I just want more originality.

I'm REALLY drunk right now, so I can't explain anything very well, but it's basically impossible to have another gaming crash akin to the 80s one these days.

Back then, gaming was basically on the same level as board games or RC cars or whatever. A fad. An admittedly lucrative fad...but still the property of a single designer churning out dross (as well as mad auteurs churning out INSANITY. . .hence Jet Set Willy). Then the NES came and saved it.

Gaming is now, I think... (back me up, anyone) a bigger market than Hollywood. A market that big will simply not go away. Regardless of the creativity, it's here to stay.

(07-01-2012 10:51 AM)Beardy Wrote:  I'm REALLY drunk right now, so I can't explain anything very well, but it's basically impossible to have another gaming crash akin to the 80s one these days.

Back then, gaming was basically on the same level as board games or RC cars or whatever. A fad. An admittedly lucrative fad...but still the property of a single designer churning out dross (as well as mad auteurs churning out INSANITY. . .hence Jet Set Willy). Then the NES came and saved it.

Gaming is now, I think... (back me up, anyone) a bigger market than Hollywood. A market that big will simply not go away. Regardless of the creativity, it's here to stay.

Yes! I agree, good sir. Maybe not Hollywood, but aye! And you made me Lol.

(07-01-2012 09:11 AM)Fearless Wrote:  I do feel a CONSOLE crash coming up.

Yes. Same here. Everything's going portable now, it's all about those smart phones, tablets, making your world "connected..." ..it's what consumers want now. I work for the largest consumer electronics retailer in the US (BB) and believe me when I say that is where the trends are going, I know exactly what I'm talking about. Consoles seem to be going in the same direction the desktop, laptop, and short-lived netbook are going in.

People are starting to want that connected world so they don't have millions of things to keep up with, so if everything is in one device it is easier, and believe me I've had customers say that. The console may not be dying nearly as fast, but it has declined a little over the last few years.

Gaming itself isn't dying, it's in full swing and growing. It's the consoles that are.

(07-01-2012 11:28 AM)Chomp Wrote:  Gaming itself isn't dying, it's in full swing and growing. It's the consoles that are.

I don't have any particular position in this.... but wherever you work, how can you tell that consoles are dying? There haven't been any new ones released for ages. Are you saying that consoles from 2006 aren't selling very well anymore?

(07-01-2012 11:35 AM)Beardy Wrote:  

(07-01-2012 11:28 AM)Chomp Wrote:  Gaming itself isn't dying, it's in full swing and growing. It's the consoles that are.

I don't have any particular position in this.... but wherever you work, how can you tell that consoles are dying? There haven't been any new ones released for ages. Are you saying that consoles from 2006 aren't selling very well anymore?

People aren't buying them like they used to. They prefer gaming on tablets/smartphones since it's all connected and they don't need anything extra, plus they can take their tablets/phones with them wherever they go as opposed to an Xbox or any other TV console.

Sales in all gaming consoles have slowly started dying over the last few years. We can't take older generation consoles into the playing field since we do not sell them anymore and they are no longer in production, but we can the more recent ones like PS3, PSP, Xbox, Wii, and DS. Manufacturers and retail establishments keep track of all sales history so what I'm saying is coming from fact. The numbers just do not show and increase in game consoles sales and haven't the last few years.