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RE: How excited are you for the Wii U? - Fearless - 07-03-2012 08:59 AM
I've never liked the Wii....
...But I hate the fact that a SSB follow-up has never been released on the same console as it's predecessor.
By god, should have seen it coming. *sob*
RE: How excited are you for the Wii U? - Lethal - 07-03-2012 09:03 AM
I thought the Wii was great. It played my classic Gamecube games, I played with the family on Mario Kart, and the graphics are quite amazing in some games. Tbh I like the fact that the Wii progressively became a console where you just had to sit down and down have to jump around shooting stuff.
RE: How excited are you for the Wii U? - CFMM - 07-03-2012 10:10 AM
Not excited at all. I think the Wii U is a piece of utter trash and simply a terrible gimmick. It's good to see that Nintendo seems to have put the motion controls away for the Wii U but they've instead replaced it with something completely stupid: useless functionality that artificially increases the difficulty of games by forcing you to simply manage another screen, but not in an acceptable way like the DS did. I hated the Wii, and I only own one for the sake of homebrew and emulators. I have no intentions of buying a Wii U, I am not satisfied with the video market anymore.
Before I'm accused of fanboyism, I also think the PS Vita is a load of crap, Kinect is crap, and the rumors that Microsoft's new console won't play used games just seals the deal for me. I've become very jaded and dissatisfied with mainstream gaming these days and I recently found myself enjoying independent productions on Steam and other avenues much more. 2004-2005 is about when I stopped fully participating in mainstream/current gaming culture. This generation will likely be the last one I give a remote damn about.
RE: How excited are you for the Wii U? - Skarro - 07-03-2012 10:56 AM
(07-03-2012 10:10 AM)CFMM Wrote: Before I'm accused of fanboyism, I also think the PS Vita is a load of crap, Kinect is crap, and the rumors that Microsoft's new console won't play used games just seals the deal for me. I've become very jaded and dissatisfied with mainstream gaming these days and I recently found myself enjoying independent productions on Steam and other avenues much more. 2004-2005 is about when I stopped fully participating in mainstream/current gaming culture. This generation will likely be the last one I give a remote damn about.
Strange, I feel the vast majority of indie games are gimmicky, Pushing into a "this is an artform and a game" direction. Especially the ones I get in the steam indie/humble bundles. Majority of them sacrifice game-play for 1 gimmicky feature or idea and the rest as i said, try to seem artsy. Lame stuff ive experianced so far.
Only great indie game i can think of is Minecraft....which is epic.
RE: How excited are you for the Wii U? - CFMM - 07-03-2012 11:09 AM
(07-03-2012 10:56 AM)Skarro Wrote:(07-03-2012 10:10 AM)CFMM Wrote: Before I'm accused of fanboyism, I also think the PS Vita is a load of crap, Kinect is crap, and the rumors that Microsoft's new console won't play used games just seals the deal for me. I've become very jaded and dissatisfied with mainstream gaming these days and I recently found myself enjoying independent productions on Steam and other avenues much more. 2004-2005 is about when I stopped fully participating in mainstream/current gaming culture. This generation will likely be the last one I give a remote damn about.
Strange, I feel the vast majority of indie games are gimmicky, Pushing into a "this is an artform and a game" direction. Especially the ones I get in the steam indie/humble bundles. Majority of them sacrifice game-play for 1 gimmicky feature or idea and the rest as i said, try to seem artsy. Lame stuff ive experianced so far.
Only great indie game i can think of is Minecraft....which is epic.
Minecraft is a great game but it's kinda funny you knock on indie games when the only one you can offer as the exception to the rule is Minecraft.
Video games, to me, are about the experience. They are about having fun and being involved with a good story or experience. They are an escape. There are liberties that can be taken with the medium, there is no definition of "video game". It is something that is defined and refined constantly. Call of Duty, SimCity, and Limbo are all video games and across all 3 of them they have absolutely nothing in common yet belong to the same category.
I feel that in the mainstream gaming market there is too much emphasis on flashiness and gimmicks. With Kinect YOU ARE THE CONTROLLER. What if you are disabled? What happens then? I guess you're not the controller. With the PS Vita you have to hold the thing a certain way or else you constantly touch the back panel and the game reads that. What if your "comfortable" way of holding a handheld involves putting your fingers on the back? The entire purpose of the 3DS is "OMG 3D". 1 in 5 people cannot see 3D, including me. So what's the point of the 3DS other than pointless flashiness? Nothing. This thing with the Wii U and the double screens and the forced touchscreen usage and all of that, it's pointless. It's so much distraction and cessation of flow that it just sounds miserable to me. True, I haven't played a Wii U, I have no intentions of playing one. Maybe it's going to be the best thing since sliced bread, but I would not count on that.
Not to mention I have SERIOUS issues with the way companies like EA, Activision, and Blizzard "do business".
All of these things with the crap peripherals and controls, these should all be niche markets. I personally do not want a 3DS, I feel alienated. Why would Nintendo make something that people cannot use? Children 6 and under can't use it and 20% of the population cannot see the effect. WHY would you do that? 3D is fine. There is a market for that, but guess what, a very large portion of the market is not interested in that. 3D shouldn't be the industry standard. The "industry standard" should be an experience that any and everyone can reasonably enjoy; that should be paramount. If the first thing your product does is disenfranchise an entire chunk of your audience that is a bad thing.
The biggest gripe I get from people about Minecraft? The graphics are "ugly".
Those are the people who don't understand video games.
RE: How excited are you for the Wii U? - Beardy - 07-03-2012 11:27 AM
Just having skimmed this... I have issues with both sides. When games are too polished then they get formulaic, but on the flip side, the experimental ones can actually be shit.
Personally I never quite "got" Minecraft, but I totally accept that that's my failing;
I actually enjoy Call of Duty. I also love the Bit Trip Saga. I love polished games, and I love nutty games too. I hate the idea that it's meant to be an either/or kind of choice.
RE: How excited are you for the Wii U? - Skarro - 07-03-2012 11:28 AM
(07-03-2012 11:09 AM)CFMM Wrote: Minecraft is a great game but it's kinda funny you knock on indie games when the only one you can offer as the exception to the rule is Minecraft.
Video games, to me, are about the experience. They are about having fun and being involved with a good story or experience. They are an escape. There are liberties that can be taken with the medium, there is no definition of "video game". It is something that is defined and refined constantly. Call of Duty, SimCity, and Limbo are all video games and across all 3 of them they have absolutely nothing in common yet belong to the same category.
I feel that in the mainstream gaming market there is too much emphasis on flashiness and gimmicks. With Kinect YOU ARE THE CONTROLLER. What if you are disabled? What happens then? I guess you're not the controller. With the PS Vita you have to hold the thing a certain way or else you constantly touch the back panel and the game reads that. What if your "comfortable" way of holding a handheld involves putting your fingers on the back? The entire purpose of the 3DS is "OMG 3D". 1 in 5 people cannot see 3D, including me. So what's the point of the 3DS other than pointless flashiness? Nothing. This thing with the Wii U and the double screens and the forced touchscreen usage and all of that, it's pointless. It's so much distraction and cessation of flow that it just sounds miserable to me. True, I haven't played a Wii U, I have no intentions of playing one. Maybe it's going to be the best thing since sliced bread, but I would not count on that.
Not to mention I have SERIOUS issues with the way companies like EA, Activision, and Blizzard "do business".
All of these things with the crap peripherals and controls, these should all be niche markets. I personally do not want a 3DS, I feel alienated. Why would Nintendo make something that people cannot use? Children 6 and under can't use it and 20% of the population cannot see the effect. WHY would you do that? 3D is fine. There is a market for that, but guess what, a very large portion of the market is not interested in that. 3D shouldn't be the industry standard. The "industry standard" should be an experience that any and everyone can reasonably enjoy; that should be paramount. If the first thing your product does is disenfranchise an entire chunk of your audience that is a bad thing.
The biggest gripe I get from people about Minecraft? The graphics are "ugly".
Those are the people who don't understand video games.
Limbo was more gimmicky then Skyward sword (uses motion controls is my example)
Some disabled people cant use the PC or Playstation but CAN use the wii. A man used to work with in a grocery store who we will call "mike" had one working hand, only thing he could play is the wii.
This 3d thing seems to be your personal grudge, im sure a person who can't run hates races for example.
and btw all of us seem to hate kinect and friends, thats not mainstream gaming. The most popular games have no gimmicks, CoD, Skyrim, etc...
And as I have said before BIOSHOCK. A very mainstream game that was a beautiful setting, (best I have ever seen) epic story, great gameplay, awesome soundtrack, and incredibly original and fun. It was made by a team of many, many people. And no indie game can stand close to it.
And you don't like the way EA, Activision, and Blizzard "do business"? Welcome to the real world....you should see companies outside of things like gaming.... and all 3 of these companies patch games and listen to complaints when 99% of there sales on that game have already been made f.y.i. There not as evil as stoner conspiracy theorists like to believe.
RE: How excited are you for the Wii U? - A Zombie Riot - 07-03-2012 11:39 AM
(07-03-2012 07:07 AM)Scormac Wrote:(06-29-2012 03:15 AM)A Zombie Riot Wrote:Well they said there will be a 3DS version(06-29-2012 12:13 AM)Nicknclank Wrote:(06-28-2012 04:42 PM)Scormac Wrote: I'm more exited to know what the new smashbros is gonna be like
I swear to God, if I got to buy the Wii U to play a new Super Smash game... let's just say I will do something that involves fire. And jello. Lots and lots of jello.
You realize you will have to do this anyways, right (buy a Wii U for SSB)?
You would still have to buy a 3DS (if you don't have one already, anyways) for that too.
RE: How excited are you for the Wii U? - CFMM - 07-03-2012 11:50 AM
(07-03-2012 11:28 AM)Skarro Wrote: Limbo was more gimmicky then Skyward sword (uses motion controls is my example)
Some disabled people cant use the PC or Playstation but CAN use the wii. A man used to work with in a grocery store who we will call "mike" had one working hand, only thing he could play is the wii.
This 3d thing seems to be your personal grudge, im sure a person who can't run hates races for example.
and btw all of us seem to hate kinect and friends, thats not mainstream gaming. The most popular games have no gimmicks, CoD, Skyrim, etc...
And as I have said before BIOSHOCK. A very mainstream game that was a beautiful setting, (best I have ever seen) epic story, great gameplay, awesome soundtrack, and incredibly original and fun. It was made by a team of many, many people. And no indie game can stand close to it.
And you don't like the way EA, Activision, and Blizzard "do business"? Welcome to the real world....you should see companies outside of things like gaming.... and all 3 of these companies patch games and listen to complaints when 99% of there sales on that game have already been made f.y.i. There not as evil as stoner conspiracy theorists like to believe.
There are occasional mainstream games that are fun. I thoroughly enjoyed Dead Rising, for example. Even with the stupid AI. I didn't say every game released for a mainstream console is crap, but I did say there is a large majority.
As far as the accusation that 3D is a "personal grudge", yes it is. So far as you have the necessary equipment to play a game, e.g. fingers and hands, I don't see why people should be shut out of the market like that. I too have a disabled friend who has cerebral palsy, he has use of only one hand. He can manage to kick my ass in Mario Kart 64 and Counterstrike. Independent companies even sell special controller add-ons for people with injuries or disabilities.
Kinect is total crap, I know it, you know it. Microsoft apparently doesn't. They've redesigned the 360 dashboard into a monumental piece of trash intended to be used with Kinect, why they called it the "Kinect Dashboard". It's difficult to use with a controller, and Kinect-aside, they've attempted to turn the console into an "entertainment hub" instead of a video game console. I don't like the direction the mass market is going, that's the point I made. The market of independent games isn't governed by the lowest common denominator mentality that the rest of the market operates on. There is less financial risk and more variety offered in the indie sector. Video games have become the movie industry, controlled by a small number of large publishers who are unwilling to take risks and would rather saturate the market by churning out the same repeat trash over and over again.
I take offense to the fact that you chock me up as "stoner conspiracy theorist" what's the point in throwing petty bullshit insults around like that? Are you that offended by differing viewpoints that you resort to namecalling when someone else criticizes the shady business practices of "AAA" developers?
- EA consistently purchases smaller studios, guts them, and strings out their newly acquired IPs for as much money as possible.
- EA has an exclusivity contract with the NFL to shut-out competition. There is no need to make a quality game if there is no competition. "Who else will you buy from?"
- EA sells "Online Passes" for console games that are essentially a $10 tax for buying the game used, as EA wants to squeeze as much money out of every consumer as possible.
- Activision has effectively devalued the FPS genre as a whole and altered it to the point where it has become a "cookie cutter" market.
- Blizzard rigs loot drops in Diablo 3 for the sole purpose of ensuring they make a killing on the "Real Money Auction House".
- Capcom is notorious for putting out "DLC" that is nothing more than content already on the disc that they make you pay for again to unlock, rather than being entitled to it like you should be.
- Capcom did not release the full version of Asura's Wrath to consoles and instead sold the final chapters as DLC.
- BioWare and other corporate subsidiaries release incomplete games with day one DLC just to take in even more profits.
- GameStop has little to no competition in most of the country because they simply bought all of their competition and now are worth so much in assets that independent stores cannot compete with them.
THESE ARE VERY BAD THINGS. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out.
There will always be a mass market for video games. I simply choose not to participate in it because of what it has become.
You are entitled to your own opinions regarding consoles and in the independent games market, and you're free to ignore it with blanket statements and arrogance. That isn't my problem.
RE: How excited are you for the Wii U? - Skarro - 07-03-2012 12:17 PM
Didn't call you a "stoner conspiracy theorist" i was refering to the people who start these rumors, cool your jets.
Those are not "very bad things" they are a company trying to make money for themeselves and there employees over other companies, Much like how your country attempts to make more money which essentially lowers the value of others. This is a result of capitalist buisness's and it's silly to pick on just gaming companies.
Blizzard does not rig loots drops...they change them based on whatever the hell fans are complaning about, they just tripled inferno drops. That was a blatent lie. Infact can you even name a scenario in which they would be rigged? If they wanted to rig for RMAH sales why wouldnt they just create items to sell? You should look at interviews with the lead designer, he seems to be a really nice guy.
companies buying companies is a win win, thats why the other company decided to sell when they weere offered. Also they have plenty of compitition, i get half my games from walmart.
yes capcom does blow i agree, there cheap not evil.
Hardly blanket statements, and it was arrogant to say that.
RE: How excited are you for the Wii U? - Sohakmet - 07-04-2012 03:14 AM
I think that for as much hate that the Wii U is getting from people that "think" that they're experts in gaming I really heard about many compliments regarding the Wii U and it's features. The only thing that can only keep it from it's full potential is NoA...
RE: How excited are you for the Wii U? - retrolinkx - 07-04-2012 03:54 AM
Going to get it for ZombiU especially.
However as I said before, if it can be hacked, and be able to emulate Gamecube games, with the ability of Online. Wii U confirmed for best console of this gen.
I can't be the only one who would love to play Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes, or Metroid Prime, on the tablet controller, at night, under the covers?
RE: How excited are you for the Wii U? - Sohakmet - 07-04-2012 04:37 AM
(07-04-2012 03:54 AM)retrolinkx Wrote: Going to get it for ZombiU especially.
However as I said before, if it can be hacked, and be able to emulate Gamecube games, with the ability of Online. Wii U confirmed for best console of this gen.
I can't be the only one who would love to play Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes, or Metroid Prime, on the tablet controller, at night, under the covers?
But you can play Metroid Prime Trilogy on the Wii U considering it's a Wii game D:
RE: How excited are you for the Wii U? - CFMM - 07-04-2012 07:19 PM
(07-04-2012 03:14 AM)Sohakmet Wrote: I think that for as much hate that the Wii U is getting from people that "think" that they're experts in gaming I really heard about many compliments regarding the Wii U and it's features. The only thing that can only keep it from it's full potential is NoA...
That's a pretty backhanded way of saying I don't know what I am talking about and am not authorized to speak about the gaming market just because I disagree with the majority voice.
edit: Nevermind, I'm just going to assume the post wasn't directed toward me and was just worded weirdly and came after mine.
RE: How excited are you for the Wii U? - Sohakmet - 07-05-2012 12:02 AM
(07-04-2012 07:19 PM)CFMM Wrote:(07-04-2012 03:14 AM)Sohakmet Wrote: I think that for as much hate that the Wii U is getting from people that "think" that they're experts in gaming I really heard about many compliments regarding the Wii U and it's features. The only thing that can only keep it from it's full potential is NoA...
That's a pretty backhanded way of saying I don't know what I am talking about and am not authorized to speak about the gaming market just because I disagree with the majority voice.
edit: Nevermind, I'm just going to assume the post wasn't directed toward me and was just worded weirdly and came after mine.
It wasn't directed after you. It was directed towards the people who just think that they know about everyhting when they don't really and keep saying something as: "The WiiU will suck, it doesns't have anything good in it". When actually a lot of people who went to E3 played it and they actually really liked it.