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RE: Controllers. - Uninstall - 08-29-2012 04:34 AM
Aesthetically, the Playstation controller is gorgeous and perfect for fighting games, although not good for much else. I like its simplicity too. D-pad, 4 face buttons, 4 shoulder buttons, 2 Analogs.
I like the 360 controllers, a lot, I probably wouldn't put it down if it had a good D-pad. Whenever I look at it it's like Sunlight on a Vampire and not the sparkly kind.
Wiimote is just atrocious, if the game doesn't support a Gamecube controller, I'm not playing it. I doubt the Wii-U will be much better either. I wish they would just stop with the gimmicks already.
Worst controller without a doubt is me. Screw kinect.
RE: Controllers. - agentkuo - 08-29-2012 05:16 AM
The Wii-U has standard button layout and an alternate "Pro controller", which is basically a standard controller. What's not to like about that?
I don't really consider Kinect (myself) to be a controller, although it technically is. If I did, I would include Kinect.
RE: Controllers. - Gardocki - 08-31-2012 05:19 PM
My personal favorite would be SNES controllers. The round ends, perfect amount of buttons and d-pad. You can play for hours without a problem.
The Xbox 360 comes in second for me. I love the way it feels, perfect size and the buttons are placed perfectly. The d-pad sucks, I admit, but I almost never use it unless I have to. I like the placement of the analog sticks as well. The triggers are perfect, they respond perfectly for FPS games too.
I love the Gamecube controller as well, it's comfortable and has the analog sticks placed right.
The controllers I hate are the first run NES controllers. As a kid it was fine, as I got older and my hands grew, the corners of the controller started to dig into my hands. The second run with the rounded edges and better A,B button placement make it perfect.
I also dislike the Playstation controllers, each of them. There's a few reasons why I've not bought into the Playstation brand, and the controllers are the number one reason. The triggers are buttons that barely respond in FPS games, I never feel like I'm squeezing off the rounds I should be. The analog and d-pad placement are horrible, and stretching my thumb to lay on the left stick is painful after ten minutes. The face buttons and d-pad are fine, I'm okay with the shapes instead of letters, but overall I can't use them.
The N64 has a horrible controllers. Like the NES, it worked for me as a kid, as an adult, it's cumbersome to use.
RE: Controllers. - agentkuo - 09-01-2012 05:45 AM
(08-31-2012 05:19 PM)Gardocki Wrote: I also dislike the Playstation controllers, each of them. There's a few reasons why I've not bought into the Playstation brand, and the controllers are the number one reason. The triggers are buttons that barely respond in FPS games, I never feel like I'm squeezing off the rounds I should be. The analog and d-pad placement are horrible, and stretching my thumb to lay on the left stick is painful after ten minutes. The face buttons and d-pad are fine, I'm okay with the shapes instead of letters, but overall I can't use them.I honestly don't understand what you mean by most of this.
The Playstation controller doesn't have "triggers" (they're not triggers like the Xbox controller has triggers.) They're the L2 and R2 buttons. And almost no shooters actually use them for aiming/shooting (in the very beginning, when the system first launched a couple of games did, but the majority use the L1 and R1 buttons for aiming/shooting). This just shows that you're arguments are based on uneducated assumptions.
Next, I have very short thumbs, and they go past the analog sticks, so either you have midget hands or something is wrong with what you're saying, because there is no reason you should be stretching any part of your hand significantly just to touch a part of the controller. Unless you're holding it upside down or something.
You also said the D-Pad position is horrible, and then right after you said it's fine. Make up your mind.
RE: Controllers. - Gardocki - 09-01-2012 06:17 AM
(09-01-2012 05:45 AM)agentkuo Wrote: I honestly don't understand what you mean by most of this.
Well let me see if I can help you.
(09-01-2012 05:45 AM)agentkuo Wrote: The Playstation controller doesn't have "triggers" (they're not triggers like the Xbox controller has triggers.)
Right, I call them that because that's what I'm used to with the Xbox controller.
(09-01-2012 05:45 AM)agentkuo Wrote: They're the L2 and R2 buttons. And almost no shooters actually use them for aiming/shooting (in the very beginning, when the system first launched a couple of games did, but the majority use the L1 and R1 buttons for aiming/shooting).
Since the majority of games I play are shooters, I need triggers, not buttons that barely have feedback to them. Hope that clears that up for you.
(09-01-2012 05:45 AM)agentkuo Wrote: This just shows that you're arguments are based on uneducated assumptions.
Do what? I sense a bit of fanboy coming through in this statement. I've played the Playstation, 1-3, and it's the same controller for each system. So if I've played all three systems, and shooters on all these systems, and I don't like the controller (because remember, this is MY opinion), how am I making an uneducated assumption? Stop being a fanboy, and accept that this is my opinion.
(09-01-2012 05:45 AM)agentkuo Wrote: Next, I have very short thumbs, and they go past the analog sticks, so either you have midget hands or something is wrong with what you're saying, because there is no reason you should be stretching any part of your hand significantly just to touch a part of the controller. Unless you're holding it upside down or something.
Nope, I don't have midget hands, and again you're talking like a fanboy. This is the exact problem when it comes to debating anything, there always has to be a fanboy who comes in and tries to ruin the debate with insults. Like I said, when I'm using a PS controller, my thumb has to stretch to the analog stick, and it's cumbersome after ten minutes or so.
(09-01-2012 05:45 AM)agentkuo Wrote: You also said the D-Pad position is horrible, and then right after you said it's fine. Make up your mind.
WRONG!
I said this:
(08-31-2012 05:19 PM)Gardocki Wrote: The analog and d-pad placement are horrible
See the word there, PLACEMENT. I don't like the placement of the D-Pad and analog stick, the actual d-pad handles fine, it's just in a bad spot. Sounds like someone didn't read my whole post.
It's after writing this that I realize you didn't understand my post because of your rose tinted fanboy glasses. You love the controller, it sounds like, and that's fine. I'm not judging you, or your opinion on the controller. But this is my opinion: it sucks. It's uncomfortable to play with, and needs an update to evolve with all the games that are coming out.
RE: Controllers. - agentkuo - 09-01-2012 06:48 PM
(09-01-2012 06:17 AM)Gardocki Wrote:My point is that they're not the same thing.(09-01-2012 05:45 AM)agentkuo Wrote: I honestly don't understand what you mean by most of this.
Well let me see if I can help you.
(09-01-2012 05:45 AM)agentkuo Wrote: The Playstation controller doesn't have "triggers" (they're not triggers like the Xbox controller has triggers.)
Right, I call them that because that's what I'm used to with the Xbox controller.
Quote:I guess in a way it does.(09-01-2012 05:45 AM)agentkuo Wrote: They're the L2 and R2 buttons. And almost no shooters actually use them for aiming/shooting (in the very beginning, when the system first launched a couple of games did, but the majority use the L1 and R1 buttons for aiming/shooting).Since the majority of games I play are shooters, I need triggers, not buttons that barely have feedback to them. Hope that clears that up for you.
Quote:I'm not a fanboy. And this is more about helping myself understand your opinion, than trying to have a bigger, better-sounding one. (I couldn't care less about that.) The first thing I said was "I honestly don't understand what you mean by most of this." That was a serious statement. I did get a little hostile, by saying that your argument was based on uneducated assumptions. I'll admit that. And looking back, now that I understand your position, that's not really a fair assumption. And honestly I can understand why you prefer the XBox Triggers over the Playstation's.(09-01-2012 05:45 AM)agentkuo Wrote: This just shows that you're arguments are based on uneducated assumptions.Do what? I sense a bit of fanboy coming through in this statement. I've played the Playstation, 1-3, and it's the same controller for each system. So if I've played all three systems, and shooters on all these systems, and I don't like the controller (because remember, this is MY opinion), how am I making an uneducated assumption? Stop being a fanboy, and accept that this is my opinion.
Quote:(09-01-2012 05:45 AM)agentkuo Wrote: Next, I have very short thumbs, and they go past the analog sticks, so either you have midget hands or something is wrong with what you're saying, because there is no reason you should be stretching any part of your hand significantly just to touch a part of the controller. Unless you're holding it upside down or something.Nope, I don't have midget hands, and again you're talking like a fanboy.
How does this, specifically, make me sound like a fanboy? I seriously do not understand what you're doing with your thumbs and why this would be an issue. It doens't make sense to me that you would need to stretch your thumbs in order to reach something that is under them. If you could, in some way, clarify what you mean, that would be really helpful, because I seriously do not understand this.
Quote:This is the exact problem when it comes to debating anything, there always has to be a fanboy who comes in and tries to ruin the debate with insults.My point is, I don't understand what you mean by this. How is it that you have to stretch your thumbs to reach the analog sticks? That, to me, doesn't make sense (unless, like I said, you have midget hands). I am not understanding what you mean by stretching your thumbs'. I don't understand why me not understanding something automatically makes me a fanboy who's goal is to insult you. That was not, and never will be, my intention.
Like I said, when I'm using a PS controller, my thumb has to stretch to the analog stick, and it's cumbersome after ten minutes or so.
Quote:Okay, my bad, you don't need to be so hostile in your response. I misunderstood.(09-01-2012 05:45 AM)agentkuo Wrote: You also said the D-Pad position is horrible, and then right after you said it's fine. Make up your mind.
WRONG!
I said this:
(08-31-2012 05:19 PM)Gardocki Wrote: The analog and d-pad placement are horrible
See the word there, PLACEMENT. I don't like the placement of the D-Pad and analog stick, the actual d-pad handles fine, it's just in a bad spot. Sounds like someone didn't read my whole post.
Quote:It's after writing this that I realize you didn't understand my post because of your rose tinted fanboy glasses.I think it's kind of funny that you said I'm trying to insult you, and yet, you're the one who keeps calling me a "fanboy". I didn't understand your post because I didn't understand your post. If you like XBox controllers better than PS3 controllers, that's cool. But not worth responding to. I genuinely didn't understand and so I sought clarification. If that somehow makes me a bad person, then I'm sorry.
Quote:You love the controller, it sounds like, and that's fine. I'm not judging you, or your opinion on the controller.
And yet you are...
Quote:But this is my opinion: it sucks. It's uncomfortable to play with, and needs an update to evolve with all the games that are coming out.And you have every right to have that opinion. No one's saying you don't.
I don't love the controller. I think it's a better controller than the XBox's controller. I think it does it's job very well.
What do you mean by "...needs an update to evolve with all the games that are coming out."?
RE: Controllers. - Skarro - 09-02-2012 12:09 AM
- You seem to miss that by triggers he means pressure sensitive buttons as opposed to just a simple activation. PS3 does have those (L2 and R2) but for some reason mainstream shooter developers decide to flip them for grenades, not ADS and Fire. I have no idea why this is.
- It's your short thumbs that cause you not stretch for joysticks. you have to stretch down with my size of hands, where as the 360 is natural.
How my hand naturally fits after gripping the controllers.
xbox - http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/6/img2012090100130.jpg/
ps3 - http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/805/img2012090100128.jpg/
(Don't judge my ps3 playing amount by the dust, that's the broken controller in my room haha)
RE: Controllers. - Nostalgic_Machine - 09-02-2012 01:35 AM
Sega Saturn still has the best and most comfortable controller I've ever used.
RE: Controllers. - agentkuo - 09-02-2012 01:41 AM
(09-02-2012 12:09 AM)Skarro Wrote: - You seem to miss that by triggers he means pressure sensitive buttons as opposed to just a simple activation. PS3 does have those (L2 and R2) but for mainstream shooters decides to flip them for grenades, not ADS and Fire. I have no idea why this is.Yeah, I figured it out. Again, my point was that they are different things. But whatever, the point is moot.
Quote:- It's your short thumbs that cause you not stretch for joysticks. you have to stretch down with my size of hands, where as the 360 is natural.Wouldn't you have to stretch for the right analog stick? I dunno, just looks like that would be the case, since it's similarly positioned to the PS3's positioning. I have to position my thumbs in a certain way to comfortably use them, but it's not stressful on them. And okay, I see.
Quote:How my hand naturally fits after gripping the controllers.Lol, okay. I see what you mean.
xbox - http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/6/img2012090100130.jpg/
ps3 - http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/805/img2012090100128.jpg/
(Don't judge my ps3 playing amount by the dust, thats the proken controller in my room haha)
RE: Controllers. - Gardocki - 09-02-2012 08:08 AM
I'm sorry agentkuo, I can't keep going on about it man. I just don't like the controller. This has to end it, I'm too tired to keep going back and forth.
RE: Controllers. - agentkuo - 09-02-2012 08:15 AM
I'm gonna assume you didn't read what I wrote. I don't want to go "back and forth". The point isn't to argue with you, the point was just for me to gain a better understanding.
For me it wasn't about which is better, it was a matter of understanding why you felt the way you did. But if you don't want to talk about it, that's fine.
RE: Controllers. - Skarro - 09-02-2012 09:14 AM
Yes I do have to stretch down for the right joystick, which is still frustrating but if it's that or buttons then I'd go for buttons.
RE: Controllers. - Berry - 09-02-2012 09:25 AM
(08-31-2012 05:19 PM)Gardocki Wrote: I also dislike the Playstation controllers, each of them. There's a few reasons why I've not bought into the Playstation brand, and the controllers are the number one reason. The triggers are buttons that barely respond in FPS games, I never feel like I'm squeezing off the rounds I should be. The analog and d-pad placement are horrible, and stretching my thumb to lay on the left stick is painful after ten minutes. The face buttons and d-pad are fine, I'm okay with the shapes instead of letters, but overall I can't use them.
Me too,But i don't really care,Just as long the game is worth it for my hand to die off.
My best controller is the Gamecube(cause it is,nuff said) but the worst one is the 360,It just doesn't feel right.
RE: Controllers. - Gardocki - 09-02-2012 11:22 AM
(09-02-2012 08:15 AM)agentkuo Wrote: I'm gonna assume you didn't read what I wrote. I don't want to go "back and forth". The point isn't to argue with you, the point was just for me to gain a better understanding.
For me it wasn't about which is better, it was a matter of understanding why you felt the way you did. But if you don't want to talk about it, that's fine.
I read your post. I explained myself as best I could, I'm not going to continue going back and forth. It all boils down to me not liking the controller and you not agreeing with my reasons. I'm fine with that.
RE: Controllers. - agentkuo - 09-02-2012 01:25 PM
I'm not disagreeing with your reasons (that doesn't even make sense). If you don't understand that, then you're not reading my posts. This isn't about who's opinion is better. It's a fucking opinion. I was just trying to understand your situation (by the way, this is now the third time I'm saying this). This has nothing to do with agreeing to disagreeing with anyone.